Liza Callen Interviewed on Hot91 FM with Emma [PODCAST]

Listen to Liza being interviewed on Emma’s “Odd Jobs” segment on Hot91 FM.

Interviewer: Hi, it's Emma. This is my podcast on odd jobs. So many of us spend more time at work than with our families in a week, so you really want to ideally love what you're doing. I'm in that fortunate position. I love telling stories and I've been fascinated with these more obscure jobs that people go out to every day and get a pay packet for. How did it come about? What does the job entail? That is only the beginning as we delve into the careers that you have to hand write under Other on official forms.
Interviewer: Liza Callen, what is it like to be an internationally renowned animal communicator?

Well, I work with a huge variety of animals. It doesn't seem to matter which species. I've always heard the animals since I was a tiny child so I just presumed everyone could hear animals until a little bit later when I was told, "No they don't."

So in my experience, and I've been doing it for a long time now of working as an animal communicator, I work with all types of pet behaviour situations, finding lost pets, spirit pets. I've always had an in to listening to them after they've passed and that's probably my most favourite session, interestingly enough, because it can be really quite profound and really deeply moving. And it really can help an enormous amount.

What else? Well, anything really. Aggression, phobias, fear, peeing inside, pooing. That can be fixed, you know, within an hour, believe it or not. I get surprised at that but I go through this. I think I've just developed techniques for a lot of different things. Compulsive barking. You know, any type of issue that is disturbing you or your pet. So it's sort of natural. It just comes out of me. I don't really overthink it.

Interviewer: So what do you attribute your gift to? Was there a life changing moment when you were young?
Liza: No. I think I lived up the coast in my first however many years and there was always animals just appearing. We didn't actually own any but there was always feral cats or cows coming in, or this or that. I don't really know, but I could even talk to snakes, I could talk to ... It was just bizarre. Just it was natural. It didn't feel bizarre at all.

I didn't talk out loud. Oh, sometimes I talked out loud but when you talk to an animal it's a silent, it's a telepathic language. And they talk in thought/feelings. They're very visual so when I talk to them I've usually got my eyes shut and they sort of show up a movie. Especially rescued animals or animals that have been traumatised, and they tell me about all their past. They've been thrown off a bridge or they've this or that, and they've never wanted to cross a bridge again.

And I usually, there's a deep apology for the human race or whoever did it to them, you know? And they get it all out and I say, "You've got a new life now." And it shifts it. I'm not sure why it works so well. It's like I'm not sure. You know, I have to say that.

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Interviewer: So this natural ability that clearly shows you, for your school life was it a secret? Did you tell your friends or did you just develop it more as an adult?
Liza: I think my friends just accepted it because I didn't make a big deal of it. I didn't go, "Oh, that dog says don't do that." Or, you know, I wasn't a bossy or a pushy type of a kid. I was pretty out there but I was very extroverted so I had a lot of other interests, so it just sort of blurred into my unusual life, I suppose.
Interviewer: And that unusual life, the job, has sent you all around the world. So you've worked for zoos, safari parks, farms. And I want to talk to you about how your voice was studied in the US for healing qualities. What you have learnt from such an experience?
Liza: Oh, that's really something. I was very much younger when I was in my 20s and I just got this intuition that you can heal the bodies, be it animals or people, you can heal it through frequency. Through sound, through vibration. So I started. I was already working in natural therapies with people so I would just experiment on them.

And above their body, probably about six inches above, and I'd realised when I'd started this many years ago I was just experimenting, but I'd realised when I finally did it on this ... He was actually a professor of oncology in the medical college in Virginia. And I think he burst into tears and then he said, "I've got to study your voice." And when they did study it in the medical college there, in the Monroe Institute, they discovered I'm multi-phonic. I could always hear different tonal qualities. Different in one sound, I can sing three different notes. So it's not quite like the Tibetan one.

So I've taught that. I call it cell singing. I'm singing to the cells. So that is not only, it's not ... I'll send you a track if you like if you send me an email.

Interviewer: Sure.
Liza It's really powerful stuff. It's very beautiful and so it's sound medicine. So I often, if there's an anxious pet or if there's a pet that may need some serious healing, that is on its last legs or its a tumour or it's whatever, I often just send an attachment and just send that through and say, "Use it on good speakers and use it every day. And tell the dog this is the sound medicine, it's going to help." And it does all sorts of ...

You know, I don't know. It does all sorts of things and it certainly chills them out. And, yeah, I've had a lot of really positive feedback over many years about that. So that's just something that I do, and I haven't got time to go and splash out. I've still got the scientific results but I just keep doing it. You know, I don't bother with that.

Interviewer: Yeah. You're based in the Noosa hinterland but right now I'm speaking to you in Peru. What drew you there?
Liza: Oh, I love Peru. The mountains, there's hardly any mountains in ... And I'm living in Cusco at the moment. And I do remote all round the world so that's not a unique issue at all. I just do it. So I'm about three and a half hours from Machu Picchu, so I'm pretty high up living at nearly 13,000 feet. And it's just beautiful. I just feel very at home here.

And had to learn Spanish, and it's full of ruins all over the place. It's got ancient megaliths everywhere and it's like a huge portal of energy that I'm really comfortable in. So I like it.

Interviewer: It looks beautiful. I've never been but the pictures just look amazing. So speaking of that, you said that you can communicate with animals around the world. Talk to us about how you do it. Is it a feeling that they give to you? Images, actual words telepathically? How does it manifest? Is it an expression maybe if you're face to face with the animal?
Liza: Oh, it's the lot. It doesn't really matter face to face or long distance. There's really no difference. You know, it's really nice to have an animal but I always volunteer a lot here anyway so I've always got animals around me. So what was the question again? It was around-
Interviewer: I wanted to ... Yeah, how do you communicate? So is it a feeling that they give you?
Liza: Oh, how do I communicate?
Interviewer: Yeah. Images, actual words?
Liza: Well, words, yes. Some of them have got a really potty mouth, interestingly enough. Although, you know, I don't actually ... I just hear it and then immediately I don't sort of translate it. I just say it. So I try to stay out. There's a lot of words. Some of them are real chatty, others are a bit sulky. You know, but you can always, and they'll always say what they don't want. You know, or "I don't like this. I don't want that. Why does she do this?"

They're also very much in touch with what's going on in the house. So if there's a lot of stress happening, which happens in every house from time to time, you've really got to tell your animal, "Don't take it on. You know, we'll get through this, it's going to be okay." Because animals can get doubly stressed and then we worry about them because they look depressed.

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Interviewer: Yeah.
Liza: So they talk, you know, sometimes non-stop. And it's quite amazing. I don't have people to say, "Oh, I don't know what you're talking about." They go, "Oh, gosh, that's little Buffy or, oh, that's just how ..." 'Cause they don't really tell me anything about the ... They just say, "Well, he's passed." Or, "He's got a problem with this." And often they've got more than one animal so I've got to really address not just the problem animal but say, "Hey, give him a break." Or, you know, the other animal that's afraid.

So it can be quite complex, and there's dogs and cats and birds and rabbits and goannas and all sorts of things.

Interviewer: So as the middle man, I guess, between the owner, like myself, and the pet, how do you convey the message back? Is that through facial expressions?
Liza: No, no.
Interviewer: Or do you, like you were telling me how you close your eyes and it's all telepathic?
Liza: I just tell them, I just tell them. Say, for example, an animal, a cat or something, is peeing inside. So this is how I figured it out. I've never really studied this. So I tighten my pelvic floor muscles. So, for example, I'm telling this cat, "Don't you ever pee on this floor again." Now, they've been doing it for months.
Interviewer: Yeah.
Liza: Tighten that. Just tighten it and say, "It's filthy, disgusting, germy, totally unacceptable. And if you keep doing this, you know, not only that your mummy's not going to love you so much." 'Cause they don't. You get really annoyed at them after a while. I said, "You're cutting the love down and she's threatened that she might even take you back to the rescue." I give them the bottom line.
Interviewer: Does that frighten them? Does that frighten them?
Liza: No, not at all.
Interviewer: Not at all? All right.
Liza: Because then I haven't finished it. No. No, because then I tell the person to walk outside. Still with that you're always talking about that area of the body. Walk outside, relax your pelvic floors on the grass. Give them a visual if you're not going, or perhaps a litter tray. And that's the only place you do it.

No, because it's not, I'm never, ever to put fear in a person. But basically that cat would have gone to the rescue in a few more weeks. Do you understand what I mean?

Interviewer: Yeah, yeah.
Liza: And, you know, if a cat's being peeing in your house for months you don't really like it as much as you used to love it. Do you understand what I mean?
Interviewer: Yeah.
Liza: It's a human thing. It's like you take it personally. And the other aspect I do too, and I do a lot of this because animals go to vets and, you know, have a lot of tests, very expensive. And which I totally agree with vets, usually more alternative, holistic vets. But the thing is they still can't determine what's going on. Or if an animal's near passing, I can just do a body scan and then they refer different symptoms.

I mean, I did it yesterday. I didn't even have the photo. I was just talking to the woman and I was just on the phone. And she was just enquiring, and I said, "Oh, God, there's something to this, to that." So I immediately get the symptoms. So I might get, oh, seizures, my head goes funny. Not into an extreme amount but they can refer or else I can do a body scan through their energy field and say, "Oh, look there's a dark spot here. There's there, there's there." And I go, "Is it a tumour? No, it's not a tumour." Do you understand what I mean?

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Interviewer: Yeah.
Liza: So all right. Or you've got to change food or there's something, a herbal thing that can coat the digestive tract so it's not so red. Do you understand what I mean?
Interviewer: Yeah.
Liza: So it's very individual. And then there's the feelings, you know? You must, especially if you've got animals, that animals have feelings. They really do. Often they get them mixed up with our feelings. So in they're feeling that they may want to help or comfort you or something, they can sort of take it on, like I said before.

So you've just to be clear about that and say, "Oh, gotta have a good cry. Come on, let's have a good cry. Is it happening? Okay, that feels better." You know, because ...

Interviewer: So talk to me about one of your more challenging encounters with animals. So you've worked at zoos, safari parks. I assume just like humans, not everyone is going to be as forthcoming when questioned? Especially if it's something that they're very narky about and it's almost a confrontational experience sometimes?
Liza: I think I've struck it like once or twice, really. That's pretty low. Because I have a lot of love and they can feel that for the animals. I mean, I live in this place where there's hundreds of street dogs and cats living on roofs. You know what I mean?
Interviewer: Yeah.
Liza: So there's nothing. They can feel me. I've had hundred of birds, just when I'm singing doing that cell singing. I don't even ask them to come down. I'm just singing on top of a mountain and they all, a whole flock of birds will just come around me. So I don't really understand it. I'm far from being the good Saint Francis of Assisi. You know, it's like I am human.

But yeah, so they will ... You know how our animals feel certain people that come to the door and go, "Mm, I'm not so sure about this one." Or, "Nah." Or, "Oh, yeah, so it's, ooh, he's got a great dog vibe." Oh, jump, jump, jump, jump. So, you know, don't underestimate their power of feeling and intuition either. You know, I've had animals that have told me, and I've sat around with families, many of them. It's really funny actually, and they've brought all their animals. Their snake, their cat, their dog, their this, their that. And they tell me everything that's going on in the house.

"The father hates me." "The boy hasn't got any friends at school." "Why does the mother have to go to a work that she hates?" And I'm thinking, "Huh?" And, "The teenage boy, he's smoking pot out the back." You know, and it's like, "Huh?" 'Cause they give smells, they give visuals, they give sound. It's like they talk, of course. No, there's lot of different ways using all their senses.

Oh, one time there was a cat that was lost and all I could smell from thousands of kilometres away is I think if there's a cheap Asian food restaurant there, go behind the back 'cause I can smell Chinese food or Asian food or, you know, it's just one of those cheap places. And the cat had been lost for like 13 days. And there it was in the trash.

Interviewer: Wow.
Liza: And so it referred its senses to my senses. And so it's for me to have the ... Which I'm sort of used to now. I'll just say it because I can't hold back. You know, it's like, what, so I'm embarrassed because I've got to say what? You know, something really ridiculous?
Interviewer: Yeah.
Liza: I actually had a bird that was lost, probably about a month ago. And it was in the middle of Sydney, right in a fancy ... I can't remember the suburb but it was where all the embassies were, or near that area. A very posh area. And the bird, it was gone. It was an indoor bird but a big parrot. And it literally was listening to these different languages and I was hearing it. And I said, "It's not very far. It's only about three blocks and it's up in a tree with some blue. I don't know what the blue is." And I said, "I'm not hearing Asian languages. I'm hearing more sort of sounds Russian or this or that."

So she went near this particular embassy and looked up, and the people said, "There's the parrot." You know? And there was a bit of blue tied around the tree. And I thought, "Well, what do you know?" I mean, the bird was, birds are very intelligent and visual. It was giving me a guy on a walkie talkie and there was a big outdoor setting and everyone was talking in foreign languages. And I'm thinking, "Oh, they're having an outdoor event." You know, it was like present moment. Really amazing. You know, amazing that a bird could do that. Tell me or-

Interviewer: Articulate that, yeah. Wonderful.
Liza: Yeah. And then me just to have the courage to just tell her, you know? Which most of the time I just do that now because what else can you say?
Interviewer: Exactly.
Liza: And she got back the parrot.
Interviewer: Yeah. And that's the idea. That's what you want. So wild animals, domestic animals, it doesn't matter if they're rats or snakes or lizards, you can communicate with them?
Liza: Well, yes. I lived in the States a long time and I've had encounters with a puma, or a mountain lion. Very close encounter. And I didn't actually say, "Oh, hi." You know, I just said, "I love you, I love you, I love you." You know?
Interviewer: Please don't hurt me.
Liza: Like lots of love. I was like-
Interviewer: Straight Love.
Liza: Yeah. And I always tell if I was camping up with the bears where it was like, "Please, bears, I really don't want to see you tonight. I do know not want." But I have had wolves come out and, you know, so you've just to get senses and not look directly in their eye the whole time or something. So all I do is put out. Or I've had an eagle land right near me and I just think, "Okay, just put out the love." And then it'll start going gugrawk or making eagle noises telling me things.

So they do tell things, especially the wild animals. I mean, I lived in a reservation in the States for a long time and they all have totem animals. Most indigenous cultures have a spirit animal. You know, they have one or two animals that is with them their whole lives. You know, walking with them, protecting them. And it's not something, you know, be it from the Amazon to the ... You know, anywhere. I've been in enough indigenous experiences to know that animals are very, very important. And they're not revered as gods as much anymore but it's very essential for the nature of humanity.

Interviewer: So how does that translate with your work to talking to deceased animals? Long loved lost pets? That sort of thing?
Liza: Oh, I do that a lot. I really, like I said, I love that. Animals are never afraid of death, not like humans. They move very quickly. They're not always hanging out with your relatives that have passed on. Sometimes they're with big light beings. They're not just in a big old dog heaven or cat heaven or ... Do you understand what I mean?
Interviewer: Yeah.
Liza: They reincarnate. And I've had many experiences of saying, "I'm coming back." Or I had one last week even. So that was an accidental early. But they choose. You know, what I've learned from animals in spirit is more than any holy book that I have or haven't read. I tell you, I trust animals more in the cosmic, you know, in the bigger scheme of things.

What they have told. I mean, I've even, on several occasions, the animal's passed on and I'm chatting to it. And then I see them with a little soul of a baby and I think, "Oh, who's that little girl, tiny little girl, little baby." I said, "You're not pregnant are you?" I said, "Well, you know, there's a little soul waiting to come in, a little girl." And so the dog is actually, in spirit, is with the little soul of the girl that's just about to get conceived and born a little while later. And it was like-

Interviewer: That's life, yeah.
Liza: And the people are, "Oh, no, no. We're not, we're not." Then a few months later, "Oh, guess what?" You know, and so I just think, "Wow." You know, who would have thought? It's like a big old train station, not with the train. But do you understand what I mean?

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Interviewer: Yeah, yeah.
Liza: It's like people coming and going, and the animals. And they can choose, okay, and they say, "Okay, I want good genetics this time." You know, it's quite ... And then they oversee, in the meantime while they're in spirit, they oversee what's going on in the house. So I can tell them things, people things about you've really got to go for that dog. You know, and take her. What are you talking about? I said, "Well, little Bobby here said you've got to go for the job." And he goes, "Oh, okay, I will."

Or what should I think of it? It's like I know it sounds crazy but when I was, you know, at different, really big decisions in my life, especially if I've got to buy a house I was always afraid. I woke up one morning and it was all these spirit animals that said, "You need to buy a house." And in a week. I've never, ever ... I was always I thought, "Oh, I don't want to get locked with a mortgage." I bought a house in the States and then two years later it said, "You've got to sell the house." And I'm thinking, "Oh, no. Bloody animals again. Oh, no."

And it turns out it was just before, and they said you've got to sell it six months before you go back to Australia. But it was like very clear, or four to five, six months or whatever. I did it and it was just before the big crash where everything crashed through in 2007.

Interviewer: Wow.
Liza: You know, everything, everyone lost all the, you know, the real estate went through the thing. And I thought, "Well, trust the animals." Everyone thought I was just so sensible. I said, "No, it was the animals." Like, "Oh, God, she don't shut up."
Interviewer: So it was possible that a lot of the animals such as the ones that you're talking about here all have, I guess to a degree, psychic abilities as well. 'Cause they're then understanding something difficult that I as a human don't understand. You know, like stock markets and stuff like that. They get feelings too.
Liza: Oh, absolutely. And they know when the world's going to hell in a hand basket. They go, "Ooh, it's real bad out there." I said, "You really need to not watch the news with your dog. You know, 'cause you're sitting there going, oh, my God." I know it sounds ridiculous but it's like you need to have a break from the news. You know, 'cause this dog is paranoid. It doesn't even want to go outside. Or the cat. You know, it sounds like-
Interviewer: Well, that is what the news is. There's what, eight billion people in the world and it's the top 12 people that had the worst day.
Liza: Yes, exactly, exactly. Repeated again and again and again.
Interviewer: Yep, over and over.
Liza: It's like, "Oh, my God." It's like are we getting the programme downloaded? Yeah, so, no, it's every animal's different. Every creature and species is different. You'd be surprised how much even a snake can tell you, or even I had to work with some white rats one time. This young man had some white rats. And I thought, "Oh, gosh, you know, what am I going to ... You know, what can a rat say?" You'd be surprised. You know, it was like, "Are you kidding me?" You know? It's like-
Interviewer: Well, I have two fancy rats at home. They are as smart as human toddlers, I'm told. And as I've had them for a year and nine months now, and I can attest that they are very clever little creatures. So speaking of being an animal owner, so from my humble perspective I know an animal needs love, comfort, security, food and water. That's the very basics. So how can we be more intuitive with our animal friends? Learn to understand what they have to say, like you? Or to our best of abilities like you? I know you have a gift but how can we do our very best with the abilities that we have?
Liza: Well, you know, I may have a gift but I feel that anyone that really loves animals is at least open and is possibly communicating with their animal all the time, only they don't know it.
Interviewer: Absolutely
Liza: So like I said, you can talk out loud to your animal but if you wanted to hear back from them, you've got to do it silently. And it takes about a tenth of the time. And it may be, like I said, it might come back in as words or a thought/feeling. So it could be a da, da, da, da, da, with a big ooh. You know, or it could be the pictures, the sensations. It could be an ache in your own belly and you think, "Oh, you've got a pain in your belly."

And so the whole basis of it is just, okay, you ask a question or you say I love you or you say what do you want for breakfast. You've got to keep the door open. You can't just say, "I can't do it. I'm imagining it. Oh, he didn't say anything." Just say, oh, we'll talk later if you don't hear anything. Or, "I'll ask you again tomorrow." And you don't say any of it out loud, so you don't have to embarrass yourself either. But the whole idea is when you ask a question or you say something, I usually like to sort or, well, you can close your eyes for a bit. But just for a couple of seconds, take a couple of deep breaths, empty your mind. You know, so you've just got to empty out.

So you've got to practise. Like a couple of breaths, empty out, and then wait for the very first thought, feeling, emotion. Don't overanalyze it, go, well, that was weird or why would she say that? And once the animal knows that that door is open and you're not saying, "Oh, I can't do it, the door's shut." Or, "I just imagined that. The door's shut." It's like being like a radio receiver and transmitter. So you're transmitting out and you want to receive back what it is.

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Interviewer: Of course.
Liza: So it's just being in that still moment. You don't have to get in a big, deep meditation. It's like a couple of breaths, empty out, bang! Ask a question. And so it starts coming. And after a short period, especially after an animal communication session, they're thinking, well, geez, I had this ...

And it's so funny because so many of the animals come up to the computer screen with Skype. You know, or the bird goes real quiet and I'm talking to the bird. You know, it's really amazing. And it's like I don't understand it. You know, there's plenty of mysteries in this world anyway. So, yes ...

Interviewer: The gift chose you.
Liza: It's being a receiver.
Interviewer: Yeah, the gift chose you and you're just trying to work out and, like you said, be the receiver. So speaking of the gift and how long you've had it and all your experience now, I'm really curious. I would say a lot of animals that you've met around the world, particularly the wild ones, wouldn't be so happy with the environmental changes. What is it like representing us, the human race, in that conversation after some of the horrible things we've done?
Liza: Well, it's horrible. It's actually very difficult because, you know, I'm continually saying I'm so deeply sorry. Because at times I will meditate and I know what's happening in the world. I'm very well aware of the environment and the destruction, particularly here in the Amazon. You know, I mean, it's just it's everywhere.

So there's deep apologies. But it's interesting 'cause dogs and cats and that, they don't want to be human. People often say, "Well, can't they reincarnate into human?" I said, "No, why would they?" You know, I can say there's something like, I don't know, you can only say so much because a lot of them ... Say, for example, I'm tuning into the whales or I'm tuning ... I'm not on the coast at the moment. Well, I have been but, you know, I'm not on the coast. But I'm tuning into the sea life. And I just start crying. You know, because I can't say enough sorries. You know, I can't.

And some of these, the whales and the dolphins, you know, the whales are the storekeeper of history of the planet type of thing. And, you know, they're extraordinary creatures. They hold so much. And the sea life, even the little fish, it's like, I don't know, I get really stuck on it. So I try not to focus on that. All I can say is I'm deeply sorry. And I pick up all the trash wherever I go and, you know, do my best. But it needs a lot of individuals coming together and we can do something. We can do a lot but it's going to take a lot more consciousness than people just wishing the government would change a law or something. We've got to do much, much more. We've got to stand up, we've got to protest.

Interviewer: And animal testing, a lot of people are doing that. Chicken farms. So we're getting there but if you were to drive past something like an animal testing lab or a chicken farm I'm sure the feelings would just be of tremendous grief.
Liza: Oh, it's horrible. Many years ago I tried to work in pounds and that but, you know, I could hear them all. And I couldn't promise them all a wonderful life or you're going to get out soon. You're going to have ... You know, the one thing, I've never been a liar anyway, but you've got to tell, this is what I mean, the bottom line to animals. They know the moment ... You know when you said, oh, that sounds a bit harsh. You know, they'll take you be the leash like you've got to do it, because otherwise you're just fluffing around on the surface and it makes a very clear sound for them. Okay, you know, this is the bottom line.

And to be in a strong sense of your presence, it's not power over or dominant. But it's like animals really need to feel not confronted by you but you need to be in your power at some level if you've got some animals around the house. And it's not a dominant power but you've got to. And we can't always do that because things happen and we lose it, you know? So it's real important to know that you're the leader of the pack, and always. Even if you don't feel like it.

Interviewer: Absolutely. So how do you feel about animals being sent to the moon many years ago? Like the monkey and the dogs? Like they, I guess, humans from their perspective, like, oh, wouldn't it be cool to take my mate along with me? But I would assume it would have been a little bit frightening. Or do you have any intuition on that? Like you've seen pictures and seen, well, the dog was comfortable with it because it is with its master, it is with its friend?
Liza: No. I just think that was a terrible human experiment and there was no need for them. You know, it's like there was no need for it. Well, the way that they used ... See, they don't realise that animals have souls. And I'm not getting religious here, you know?
Interviewer: Sure, sure. Really, really.
Liza: They have feelings. They have many lives. They just choose to come in an animal body. We're coming in as humans, you know? So I'm just horrified. You know, why would you do that? It's just like the old days of, you know, testing monkey for all goodness knows what. Or any animal for that matter.

So, no, no. I think people are waking up. But, you know, it's a slow process. People don't want to wake up. They want to stay in the same, they want to do the same. You know, they don't want to change. So I can only apologise, yeah.

Interviewer: Yeah, well, as a rat owner I understand. A lot of people are like, "Oh, they're disgusting." I'm like, "Well, these poor rats. My two rats' ancestors have gone through so much trauma it's my way of paying forward in the world to give two little animals a beautiful, happy, healthy life." Every animal has a soul, after all.
Liza: Exactly, exactly. That's it exactly. People get all freaked out because it's a rat or a snake or a strange lizard. And I think, "Oh, my gosh, it's beautiful."
Interviewer: Absolutely.
Liza: You know, it's like I just see them as these sentient beings that do have ... Like rats, speaking of rats, they're real bright.
Interviewer: Absolutely.
Liza: They have opinions about everything. You'd be surprised. It's like also the more that they're with humans, they're picking up on our feelings and not taking them on necessarily. They do take them on. But it expands their, I won't say their consciousness 'cause they've already got a consciousness, but expands their feeling bodies. You know, it expands their minds because you give them a lot more stimulation.

You reach, you connect with them like they're individuals. You love them. I mean, hey, any sentient. You know, hug a tree. You know, hugging a rat or holding a rat's a little better, or doing whatever. But any live thing.

Interviewer: Yeah, I know what you mean.
Liza: It's got part of the spark in it. You know, the spark of life. And it's like, hey, they all have intelligence.
Interviewer: So is this a job that you think people can learn that you do now? Or is it simply a gift that only some are lucky enough to receive?
Liza: I think people can learn it. I have taught classes. Most people don't get really very confident in it because it goes pretty deep. But I feel it can be learned. You can learn it. I always tell everyone, all my clients, start talking to them. You know, even if it's all the time. A lot of the time you talk out loud. Start connecting with them. You're already doing it.

So I suggest it to everyone. I don't think it's hard. I don't. But then again it was natural for me. But I don't think it's hard. I think it's getting through that mental thing of the true nature of animals. You don't think you can. You just don't think, well, they're a different species, they don't talk English or any language. And it's like, well, yes they do. They understand. I'm glad I know that. You know, I'm glad I know that. I always knew that.

I think in ancient days we were much more connected to animals. Not just eating them. I mean, when you look in all the ancient ... 'Cause I'm a big person with ruins and stuff going around, and it's like there's animals on every bit of, you know, on pretty much every continent, scrape in any rock from thousands of years before. And, you know, they're not going to put them and they're not for hunting. You know, they're revered, they're acknowledged. I actually even have some animals that have told me some incredible past lives they've had with their owner. And it's like mind-blowing. It's like are you kidding me, you know?

Be it in Egypt or Sumeria or, you know, these place I don't even where. And they go sometimes into detail and the person doesn't go, "Oh, I don't know what she's talking about." They know exactly what I'm talking about. You know, they go, "Oh, is that why I love doing this and that and that and that and that." Like I'm, "Oh, probably. Could be." You know, so the one I had, probably about two months ago, was really powerful. This horse, this lady has horses and she'd bought this horse and this horse just wouldn't ... It was an ex-race horse and it just wouldn't, she couldn't ride it. It wouldn't even walk or it would buck her off or do everything like that. She couldn't get on a trail ride.

And I thought, "Oh, gosh, I don't know what I'm ..." So, anyway, we talked to the horse and it turns out that she'd been a man probably, you know, how many times I don't know. But this horse was telling me, giving me all the visuals, that they rode into this huge valley. She was this warrior in some distant time. And the horse knew they were both going into an ambush and that they were both going to die. The horse knew before he did. And then they did, this is what happened. And I told the horse it's like that's never going to happen again. We're not doing any more battles on your back and it's safe to ride on her. That you're not going to be taking her into war or you're not going to kill her.

And, you know, the next day she rode her for six hours and it was like ... I know I'm going from he to she but-

Interviewer: Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah.
Liza: And I was thinking, "Well, I hope that did something." I mean, I don't know. And she says that horse has been perfect ever since. And I'm thinking, "Really?" You know?
Interviewer: So just-
Liza: So... Eh, sorry?
Interviewer: Just be up front with the animal. Like you said, don't worry about their feelings. They just want the truth. You're going to be okay. That happened in the past, it was very bad, but now it's okay.
Liza: Yeah. And thank you. You know, we really honour you that you did this. But they'd been in many battles before. You know, it wasn't like it was the first time. And you can let that go now. There's no trauma. This is never going to happen again. And then bang, it's done. Oh, okay.

I mean, I never know until I hear ... Oh, well, I do usually presume things have worked. But that was a big one and it was just so unusual. And, you know, she's a conservative country lady. I mean, I don't know. And then she emailed me the next day and that afternoon or the next day. You know, within a day or something less she'd done a six hour trail ride for the first time ever. And she'd had that horse for, you know, 18 months and she'd tried.

Interviewer: Wow.
Liza: So I don't understand it. Like I said, it's all the little mysteries. We just go, "Wow, glad that worked." I'm just glad it worked.
Interviewer: Yeah. And it's clearly worth us trying to be better when it come to communicating with our animals?
Liza: Yes, be straight. 'Cause you love your animal so, you know, I never hit an animal. I don't even shout at an animal. You know, I would never do anything like that. I just have a firm voice, telepathic voice, so I'm not even saying it out loud.
Interviewer: Yeah, sure.
Liza: You do not this, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, day, or else. So sometimes there has to be consequences but usually if it's a real naughty dog, well, stick it in the toilet for 10 minutes. Not in the toilet but in the pup's room, you know?
Interviewer: Not in the toilet, but yeah.
Liza: Yeah, it's not in the toilet. Do you understand what I mean?
Interviewer: Yes.
Liza: So I get it. And then there's some animals that no matter what, I just say this animal doesn't ... You've got to give it another home. And that's not always easy either. But I said, "You cannot be working 10 hours a day and locking your German Shepherd in a ... You know, and then you're complaining about the German Shepherd ripping everything apart all day." I said, "This dog wants the country." I said, "The best thing you could do is give it a new ..."

You know, so it just depends on the animal. And now the dog is, you know, not long after and she felt guilt-free about it because the dog said, "I want out of here. This is hell." You know?

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Interviewer: Yeah. Best job in the world then?
Liza: Oh, it's pretty good for me. I don't compare jobs. For me it works. You know, for me it works. 'Cause I love to do things, something I'm passionate about. So I can't do anything that I don't feel. So it works for me.

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